Engineering and fabrication

Are all conspiracy theories pure fabrication or are some based in facts?

I don't know if I believe them or not but some are plausible. With all the theories floating around can you honestly say without a shadow of doubt that all are pure fabrication. Some may actually be based in fact. What better way to render truth useless, reduce it to some conspiracy theory and therefore anyone espousing it would be considered crazy. What theory have you heard that could be plausible?

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  1. Some are, some aren't.

  2. Some of them are based on fact....but it's manipulated fact.

  3. some are facts look up

    the end of the world 2012 on youtube


  4. They all start out being based upon a factual event.

    Kennedy really was shot in the head.

    The Twin Towers really did fall.

    Other than the factual event they are based upon, the rest can be considered pure flights of fancy.


  5. All of them that I am aware of are based on some observation, possibly facts.

    It is possible that some may be partially or completely correct.

    Similarly then, the general consensus might be partially or completely wrong.

    Conspiracy theorists typically set themselves up to be considered crazy though. They retaliate in kind by calling the non-believers of their theory crazy, and they only accept the possibility that their understanding is correct, at least typically.


  6. There is a smigen of truth to most conspiracy theories.

    I think we can all agree that there was a lot about the events of 9/11 that have never been fully explained by the govt.

    However, that doesn't mean that the entire episode was a coordinated effort by the govt. to make Americans scared and clinging to their bibles and guns.

    I fully understand that there are several state secrets behind the events of 9/11 that won't be released in our lifetimes.


  7. Considering that someone obstructed an FBI terrorism investigation for 4 weeks before 911.I'd say fact.

    BTW--that is only a footnote in the 911 commission report.

    Check out what former FBI agent Coleen Rowley says about it at patriotsquestion911.com


  8. I never trust the honesty of conspiracy theories, because people just can't keep secrets. It's been proven time and time again, people like to talk. If two people know the same thing, one or both will blab to someone else.

    Most theories are completely explainable, just many refuse to listen or fully understand the actual answers.

    Popular theories still about that have been completely disproved or explained:

    9/11 was an inside job...complete bilge!

    Lee harvey Oswald had an accomplice...now we know he acted alone through modern technology.

    There are dead aliens being held by the US government...pure fiction.


  9. It is more about how the facts are presented. I could "Prove" the world is flat by using nothing but "facts"

  10. The foundation of every good story has its basis in fact.

    Some of them might be more true than we'd like to think.

    If you think your government doesn't lie to you ever? Now that's just supreme silliness.

    There are still MANY unanswered questions about the 9/11 events. I'd like to see them addressed.

    False flag operations have been around for millennia.

    Even the son of Dr. MLK believes that James Earl Ray did not murder his father... if he didn't, that is another inarguable conspiracy.


  11. see the facts for yourself: The Obama Deception (Google/YouTube) 1.5 hrs but backed up with fact.

  12. I think the essence of the conspiracy theory is secrecy.

    Rumors form to the fill the gaps.

    The famous Bohemian Grove is a good example. A lot of rich and powerful people get together in private. They might just be drinking beer and playing cards... or maybe they are worshiping Satan.

    I don't find any conspiracy theories I've heard to be plausible, but I do find them amusing.

    They are a window into how people think, what they believe in, and what they fear.


  13. Some are real. The most famous was the reichstag fire "false flag" operation carried out by Nazi Germany as a justification for war.

  14. I think conspiracy theories are dangerous, when one says the mason for instance control the world through various channels all it does is bigging them up. It sounds like there is no hope.

    The most plausible conspiracy theories I have read were exposed in The shock doctrine from Naomi Klein. With the shock and awe doctrine and big capitalists using shocks to make more money.

    One example is the bid flu, the media blew it up out of proportion and Rumsfeld made a lot of money by selling his shares in the company that produced the Tamiflu to Roches.

    The Tamiflu doesn't cure bird flu but the governments around the world purchased large quantities of Tamiflu, the price of the shares and of Tamiflu shot through the roof. When you look back it is obvious that it was all made up a lot of people were corrupt and the media were instrumental in scaring the people out.


  15. don't know

  16. http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

  17. I think you have truth surrounded by different interruptions of the same truth.

    For ie. JFK Assassination- JFK died on 11/22/63 by gun shot wounds, but the for the past 40-50 years there have been many conspiracy stories around the event as to the reason it was done and who did it. Another event is 9/11/2001- I have seen conspiracies about the New World Order wanting this event to occur so the U.S. would wage war on Iraq for political reasons to fortify the new government, while some say the U.S. was attacked by fundamentalist muslim terrorist. The sad truth is overlooked by interruptions of truth and the sorry reality that 3000 Americans lost their life on that day gets lost.


  18. They all probably have some elements of truth in them that sparked the imagination and what-ifs that turned them into full-fledged conspiracy theories.

    Almost any of them could sound plausible if you add or omit the right information, or if it is presented to a group that wouldn't know enough information about the specifics to doubt what was said.


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    Throughout human history, political and economic leaders genuinely have been the cause of enormous amounts of death and misery, and they sometimes have engaged in conspiracies while at the same time promoting conspiracy theories about their targets. Hitler and Stalin

    would be merely the most prominent examples; there have been numerous others. In some cases there have been claims dismissed as conspiracy theories that later proved to be true. (for examples, see "Proven historical conspiracies")

    Are you one of those who think the X-Files is fiction?

    At one time, you could blame the world’s troubles on the Masons or the Communists. Now, we also have the Alien-U.S. Elite and the Alien Shape-shifting Reptile conspiracies to worry about. Conspiracy Theories—they’re all here, but not just lined up to be ridiculed and dismissed. For among the absurd conspiracy theories currently proliferating on the Internet, there are nuggets of real research about real conspiracies waiting to be mined.

    It has been said that "Art is a mirror", likewise, perhaps news reporting (which by nature must be selective) and its interpretation often reflects the "mindset" of the reporter or interpreter and their knowledgebase or personal agenda. What may appear irrational to one person, may appear fully rational to another, both of whom may be considered "normal" people . So, rather than say that something is irrational or "seemingly preposterous", it may be wiser to say, "I don't understand this, or I don't understand why they believe or think in this manner, or I disagree with this assessment for thus and so reasons." The challenge is not to label an idea or thought "irrational" or "preposterous" but to understand the perspective and logic of the one speaking and what their rationality is, regardless of whether one agrees with it or not. If you can understand why another reasons as they do, then you might be able to have a "rational" discussion or debate about a particular topic, rather than just mutual polemics.


  20. The alternative media and independent investigators are now doing what the msm would do if all the unanswered questions pertaining to Obama were related to Palin or Romney or McCain…(look how intense the effort mounted against Palin by the msm for far less significant issues)…they are digging and asking the hard questions. Yes, there is suppositions and maybe’s…certainly the recent staple of the msm reporting on Palin. That seems to be enough for the Left Prop Arm for the Regressive Party. But, I will hope the investigators looking into Obama’s past and citizenship are extremely measured in collecting evidence and the assumptions, hypotheticals and scenarios are definitively fleshed out and given the appropriate weight according to violations of law, etc.

    That said, the holes in the life of Obama are very intriging and one has to wonder about the issues of birth place, Franklin Davis, Occidental College, Muslims, Pakistan, Columbia, Ayers, Chicago, the Industrial Areas Foundation, the Developing Communities Project, the Woods Fund…

    There are so many relationships and alliances that an unmotivated stoner kid with poor grades eases into. How? Not his intellect or grades. Alliances and associations were the ticket just like for many people…he connected with those that assisted his needs and he assisted theirs.

    I cannot escape the Leftist, Socialist, Muslim tinge to all this. Even as a mediocre student, a poser, he attached himself to the right people and with little or no accomplishment in life he progresses to where he is now. How? His looks, charm and speech patterns? (May I say I have already grown weary of his voice and intonations…as much as ‘ah shucks’, W) No, those are attributes to enhance an Axelrod campaign strategy. There is something slightly creepy about this whole rise to power and the foundation is the part that makes me very leery.

    So, read this attached timeline piece. Read it all…don’t let your mind swerve away with the suppositions here and there. Read thru it and wonder about this man. The race issue is not even relevant. It is his umbrella to make you hesitate, blink, back away because of the blow back that will occur. But, his race really has no affect upon me. The fervor of his black followers does have an impact upon me…but that is a separate issue. So, read this and let’s see what shakes on birth, school records, and philosophical underpinnings of this secret man. Too secret to be my president…and as I already said..his lies and deception on Ayers disqualify him in my book…punto! Elected or not, he is not yet real to me. A transformational, institutional infiltrator as they say. Perhaps?

    http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

    Obama learns from the Alinsky crowd the method for getting people to support radical change they would ordinarily not be willing to accept. “They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futurelessin the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.” Thus, just as it has been the theme of most Democrat Presidential campaigns over the last 30 years, so is it Obama’s: “Everything is terrible and headed in the wrong direction, your lives are in shambles, greedy capitalism is at fault, and you need to trust a bigger government and my plans to solve all your problems.”

    It is unclear how Obama gets into Harvard Law School, which has exceptionally high admissions standards, with applicant LSAT scores expected in the 98 to 99 range, and a grade point average of 3.8 or higher. It is assumed that if Obama had such scores, his campaign would be bragging about them; it has not, and will not release his school records. One assumption is that Obama had connections, such as Khalid al-Mansour, who both paved his way and paid his way; al-Mansour’s friend Percy Sutton states that al-Mansour had been “raising money” for Obama. Obama denies knowing al-Mansour, but al-Mansour, in an interview with Newsmax reporter Kenneth Timmerman, admits he had spoken with Obama and told him he would keep a “low profile” in order to avoid embarrassing the candidate. [56,264,315]

    It is also unclear how Obama paid for his education, especially his years at Harvard Law School. He appears not to have held any steady jobs during the period, and he also took several extensive and expensive trips overseas. He and his wife later say they needed many years to pay off student loans, but those loans are not recorded on financial disclosure statements Obama was required to submit when he became a Senator.

    Attorney Percy Sutton tells reporters in 2008, “I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him. The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour.” Gifts from al-Mansour may have funded Obama’s years at Harvard.

    THINK ABOUT THE UNKNOWNS. WATCH IN THE YEARS AHEAD TO THE ASSOCIATES BEHIND THE CABINET, BEHIND THE CONGRESS. SOMETHING IS AMISS.




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